我正在着手做一些联络英国媒体的工作，英国媒体可能对中国人的意见有忽视，但同时我们也没有提供方便快捷的信息提供给英国媒体，为改善这个状况，我希望能够征集大家用英语撰写的对西藏、奥运、抗议、媒体等等的看法，最好是能够先整理一下思路，写一点比较完整和平衡的看法。同时我们还可能需要一些愿意接受英国媒体（报纸、广播、电视等）采访，并比较能够理解英国公众的心理和思维方式，能够在采访中把自己的看法用英国公众较容易接受的方式表达出来的网友。当然目前都是初期的工作，我仍然鼓励大家用其它方式表达自己的看法。
目前可以以下两步同时展开：
1。愿意参与的网友，请把你的看法(最好先经过整理)发到 http://linkchinese.net/forum/
这是英华园的英语论坛。(注意因为目前论坛上spammer很多，所有注册ID的第一贴需要先经过管理员批准，以后可自由发贴。)
2。愿意接受采访的网友，可以把你的联络方式发给管理员 http://lkcn.net/bbs/index.php?showuser=2239
1。和 2。相互不妨碍，可以同时参加。
我希望大家能踊跃参与。当然我不能做任何的承诺。
另外需要打一点预防针：
1。我们努力联络媒体了，并不代表他们一定会感兴趣。但如果我们把自己的观点集中在一起，总比分散在中文论坛上好。
2。即使媒体听到了我们的声音，也未必会被我们说服，出来的观点可能还是反的。如果发生这种情况，不要失望。
参看这个例子： http://lkcn.net/bbs/index.php?showtopic=170602
完整版本: 召集贴：用英语写你的感受和认识
我觉得，也可以征集一些比较论据充分的中文文章。
找一些英文好的志愿者给翻译一下，或者纠正一些语法！
找一些英文好的志愿者给翻译一下，或者纠正一些语法！
英语水平有限，只能写这么几个单词。
抗议时拿着这么个牌子应该不错吧？
抗议时拿着这么个牌子应该不错吧？
支持！我也联系了一家地方报纸，下个星期一要登的。目前正在做准备。大家努力！ 
我想我们应该从作为一个普通在英华人、普通在英留学生的角度出发，谈一谈关于媒体的不公和世人盲目的附和问题。
避免被说成是大国民族主义和政府宣传。
只有我们每个人都敞开心怀，主动接触媒体，主动接触英国朋友-----毕竟有交流才有理解！
Communication makes Understanding!
我想我们应该从作为一个普通在英华人、普通在英留学生的角度出发，谈一谈关于媒体的不公和世人盲目的附和问题。
避免被说成是大国民族主义和政府宣传。
只有我们每个人都敞开心怀，主动接触媒体，主动接触英国朋友-----毕竟有交流才有理解！
Communication makes Understanding!
It is worth noting that emotional verbal abuses don't achieve anything. I spent some time reading the following posts: "In response to Tony Martin (in relation to the Tibet issue)" - by M.A.Jones, and learnt a lot of facts about Tibet. The author has demonstrated unbiased, convincible facts / research papers/ books about Tibet. This is the right approach when we make statements. We need to provide factual evidence to support them. We no longer live in a world where a few emotional statements can change one's viewpoint.
The following link is a MUST-READ in my opinion.
http://discussions.pbs.org/viewtopic.pbs?t...3a80812e2f7e31a
The following link is a MUST-READ in my opinion.
http://discussions.pbs.org/viewtopic.pbs?t...3a80812e2f7e31a
Written by S.A.B (my husband) try to respond to
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jh...equestid=349175
In response to some of the assumptions made by commentators, the media and the public concerning the issues of Tibet and China I feel compelled to convey my thoughts. I am English and recently spend a year living in China, getting to know my new in-laws and my Chinese wife’s extended family. I arrived with many ‘pre-conceptions’ of ‘the communist state’ but I have to say, I did not recognise the repressive, totalitarianism depicted by much western media. And the people of China that I met were the happiest, warmest, friendliest, and nicest people.
In my humble opinion the Chinese have more freedoms than citizens of many western countries and the Chinese state interferes less in the lives of its citizens than in democratic societies, like the US/UK. I have seen the rapid development of the cities at firsthand, I have seen the entrepreneurial businesses that are everywhere and experienced the pride people express for China’s ‘inclusive’ social development and economic achievements. I have experienced the community focused public spaces, parks and recreational facilities. They believe in social harmony and inclusiveness for ALL, and you can see this manifest everywhere. From, communities gathering in the parks for dancing and singing, to the development of free education and community health care.
In terms of treatment of ethnic minorities, the Chinese people consist of 56 ethnic groups and celebrate their ethnic differences, while having a deep understanding of their common historical ties and collective identity as Chinese. The people I met had the upmost respect for cultural differences. Many, many Chinese are practising Buddhists and they love and respect the ethnic Tibetan traditions and unique culture. In fact if the propaganda of western media represented reality, there would be demonstrations and riots in every part of China because the Chinese people themselves would be outraged.
From my understanding, it is an historical fact that Tibet has been a province of China for over 1000 years and it was only British colonialism and invasion in 1903-4 that disrupted this historical fact. (For example it was the British who gave a large ‘chunk’ of Tibet to India in 1911). If you understand China’s political system you will know that many provinces have always had great autonomy from central government, and historically the Tibetan region was ruled by the Dalai Lama and his aristocratic class. Historically, Tibet had a highly hierarchical administrative and social structure based on a feudal model. The ‘Dalai Lama’ represents a particularly brutal form of authoritarianism. Most Tibetans had NO freedom, lived in abject poverty, were considered as serfs and slaves, and were routinely brutalised by the Dalai Lamas’ regime. It is incredible that ill informed ‘westerns’ believe a return to the ‘Dalai Lamas’ rule would bring freedom to Tibet. Would the British want a return to feudal society, or the US, to colonial rule? Didn’t the French chop the heads off their feudal overlords during their revolution? Would a return to this kind of governance really be of benefit to any people apart from those who would be the overlords?
I would just add, I agree totally with Fu Ying, and fully support the Chinese people in their struggle for economic and social development. Human rights issues are important and it is right to highlight the suffering of people where ever they may be. But the western media should be objective, there are far worse things going on closer to home and a more critical approach to our own governments’ human rights abuses would be more helpful. I suspect the present focus of attention by western media has more to do with political ‘games’ and nothing at all to do with China’s human rights record or Tibet.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jh...equestid=349175
In response to some of the assumptions made by commentators, the media and the public concerning the issues of Tibet and China I feel compelled to convey my thoughts. I am English and recently spend a year living in China, getting to know my new in-laws and my Chinese wife’s extended family. I arrived with many ‘pre-conceptions’ of ‘the communist state’ but I have to say, I did not recognise the repressive, totalitarianism depicted by much western media. And the people of China that I met were the happiest, warmest, friendliest, and nicest people.
In my humble opinion the Chinese have more freedoms than citizens of many western countries and the Chinese state interferes less in the lives of its citizens than in democratic societies, like the US/UK. I have seen the rapid development of the cities at firsthand, I have seen the entrepreneurial businesses that are everywhere and experienced the pride people express for China’s ‘inclusive’ social development and economic achievements. I have experienced the community focused public spaces, parks and recreational facilities. They believe in social harmony and inclusiveness for ALL, and you can see this manifest everywhere. From, communities gathering in the parks for dancing and singing, to the development of free education and community health care.
In terms of treatment of ethnic minorities, the Chinese people consist of 56 ethnic groups and celebrate their ethnic differences, while having a deep understanding of their common historical ties and collective identity as Chinese. The people I met had the upmost respect for cultural differences. Many, many Chinese are practising Buddhists and they love and respect the ethnic Tibetan traditions and unique culture. In fact if the propaganda of western media represented reality, there would be demonstrations and riots in every part of China because the Chinese people themselves would be outraged.
From my understanding, it is an historical fact that Tibet has been a province of China for over 1000 years and it was only British colonialism and invasion in 1903-4 that disrupted this historical fact. (For example it was the British who gave a large ‘chunk’ of Tibet to India in 1911). If you understand China’s political system you will know that many provinces have always had great autonomy from central government, and historically the Tibetan region was ruled by the Dalai Lama and his aristocratic class. Historically, Tibet had a highly hierarchical administrative and social structure based on a feudal model. The ‘Dalai Lama’ represents a particularly brutal form of authoritarianism. Most Tibetans had NO freedom, lived in abject poverty, were considered as serfs and slaves, and were routinely brutalised by the Dalai Lamas’ regime. It is incredible that ill informed ‘westerns’ believe a return to the ‘Dalai Lamas’ rule would bring freedom to Tibet. Would the British want a return to feudal society, or the US, to colonial rule? Didn’t the French chop the heads off their feudal overlords during their revolution? Would a return to this kind of governance really be of benefit to any people apart from those who would be the overlords?
I would just add, I agree totally with Fu Ying, and fully support the Chinese people in their struggle for economic and social development. Human rights issues are important and it is right to highlight the suffering of people where ever they may be. But the western media should be objective, there are far worse things going on closer to home and a more critical approach to our own governments’ human rights abuses would be more helpful. I suspect the present focus of attention by western media has more to do with political ‘games’ and nothing at all to do with China’s human rights record or Tibet.
谢谢参与，但请把文章发到 http://linkchinese.net/forum/
这是只是召集贴，目标读者是在那边。
这是只是召集贴，目标读者是在那边。
引用(newlight @ 13 Apr 2008, 15:13) 
谢谢参与，但请把文章发到 http://linkchinese.net/forum/
这是只是召集贴，目标读者是在那边。
这是只是召集贴，目标读者是在那边。
俺去看了看，人好少哇，郁闷了半天没有找到合适的板块发。能不能专门开个板块，讨论时政呢？
我去转了一篇从国内铁血论坛上的翻译稿，是一个西藏人写的公开信，觉得很有价值。发到了COMMUNITY---ANYTHING GOES里了，注册ID还是俺，目前还在审核吧？
给通过吧，谢谢。
谢谢，看到我的帖子了。希望更多的英华朋友去参与啊。
http://linkchinese.net/forum/index.php?showforum=1
大家去看看那个LAODAN写的帖子，怎么都没有人去反驳。我刚看到。这人典型的。。。。缺少知识（文明的用语）。
不知道是轮子还是ZD，反正英文也够烂的。哈哈
http://linkchinese.net/forum/index.php?showforum=1
大家去看看那个LAODAN写的帖子，怎么都没有人去反驳。我刚看到。这人典型的。。。。缺少知识（文明的用语）。
不知道是轮子还是ZD，反正英文也够烂的。哈哈
曾经是这个论坛的忠实支持者, 最近的确很少来英华了, 觉得这里的板主并不鼓励友好的交流, darkblue和eden都是一副逢人就教训的嘴脸, 有过人之处很好, 但是太自以为是让人厌恶. 伟人其实是需要虚怀若谷的. 如果板主都这样, 谁还会来支持? 本来可以做得更好的, 结果却眼看着凋零了. 大家都不再喜欢说话, 或者把自己过去说的话删掉了. 否则以这个论坛从前的人气, 又怎么会只有这么几个人来声援? 我还是去苹果报名了, 也是时候英华解决自己的内部矛盾了吧? 否则看着这么受欢迎的地方日渐衰落, 让人心痛.
引用(Rosemary Cat @ 14 Apr 2008, 20:17)
曾经是这个论坛的忠实支持者, 最近的确很少来英华了, 觉得这里的板主并不鼓励友好的交流, darkblue和eden都是一副逢人就教训的嘴脸, 有过人之处很好, 但是太自以为是让人厌恶. 伟人其实是需要虚怀若谷的. 如果板主都这样, 谁还会来支持? 本来可以做得更好的, 结果却眼看着凋零了. 大家都不再喜欢说话, 或者把自己过去说的话删掉了. 否则以这个论坛从前的人气, 又怎么会只有这么几个人来声援? 我还是去苹果报名了, 也是时候英华解决自己的内部矛盾了吧? 否则看着这么受欢迎的地方日渐衰落, 让人心痛.
darkblue 早就不是版主了。
edan 我觉得挺好啊，低调务实那种，没见过他骂人。
引用(Eggcat @ 13 Apr 2008, 20:34)
谢谢，看到我的帖子了。希望更多的英华朋友去参与啊。
http://linkchinese.net/forum/index.php?showforum=1
大家去看看那个LAODAN写的帖子，怎么都没有人去反驳。我刚看到。这人典型的。。。。缺少知识（文明的用语）。
不知道是轮子还是ZD，反正英文也够烂的。哈哈
http://linkchinese.net/forum/index.php?showforum=1
大家去看看那个LAODAN写的帖子，怎么都没有人去反驳。我刚看到。这人典型的。。。。缺少知识（文明的用语）。
不知道是轮子还是ZD，反正英文也够烂的。哈哈
I browsed the English forum, unfortunately posts will not be published till they are previewed by moderators.
I do not think I want to go there any more. Very inconvenient.
引用(Rosemary Cat @ 14 Apr 2008, 20:17)
曾经是这个论坛的忠实支持者, 最近的确很少来英华了, 觉得这里的板主并不鼓励友好的交流, darkblue和eden都是一副逢人就教训的嘴脸, 有过人之处很好, 但是太自以为是让人厌恶. 伟人其实是需要虚怀若谷的. 如果板主都这样, 谁还会来支持? 本来可以做得更好的, 结果却眼看着凋零了. 大家都不再喜欢说话, 或者把自己过去说的话删掉了. 否则以这个论坛从前的人气, 又怎么会只有这么几个人来声援? 我还是去苹果报名了, 也是时候英华解决自己的内部矛盾了吧? 否则看着这么受欢迎的地方日渐衰落, 让人心痛.
it looks like your lack of conviction and determination is the main reason for your lack of participation here. it is always easy to blame others.
看着这么受欢迎的地方日渐衰落, 让人心痛 - i personally believe the key reason for this is the lack of reliability of the server lkcn resides on - a technical reason that can only be resolved with more investment. i do understand that, however, there is limited funding resources.
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