哦，　这样啊，那是不是以后换签什么的就要填上了．上庭和不上庭的处罚结果会不会不一样？

一旦被法院判罚，尽管只是罚款，都应该算是conviction。而由警察处理的扣分和罚款是不算conviction的。

被法院转换，如果选择认罪，你去还是不去法庭都是一回事。除非你不认罪，到法院上让法官相信你没有错，这样你才是清白的。

哦，多谢了.那这个conviction会不会对签证有影响啊? 很严重吗?
如果到庭时态度比较好会不会被罚的轻一点?

超速一次应该不影响签证。我没有准确根据，是我猜的。

法庭上认罪态度好坏就是多罚少罚点。关键是conviction，只有两种状态：有，还是没有。

It's of course depended on how much you speeded, but normally NO conviction for a speeding, even if the case goes thru court.

You will be 100+ quids out of pocket, other than that, you are okay.

Consider urself really really lucky this time.

If you watched ROAD WAR yesterday nite on sky one, a guy were banned half year and some extra only coz he's clocked 105 mph on M25. So speeding's not as serious as NO insurance/license, but don't get carried away. You will be convicted if you think you can drive as you are racing in F1 circuit.

你的理解可能也对。

我先前认为经过法院判过的speeding也是一个conviction，尽管只是罚款。

也就是说，你我认定conviction界限是不同的。我认为法院判的都是convictions，警察处理的都不是convictions，不知道我的理解对不对？

你如果认为我的convictions理解不对，希望能给我找出书面根据。

that's my experience... i called on behalf of a friend after she was fined 115 quid coz of a speeding. I was told this's just a way to handle the situation due to the chinese license she held, but this is not a conviction.

I think there are a lot of financial dispute which need to be sorted on civil court. So it's not possible everything goes thru court is defined as sort of conviction.

Or possibly there's a difference between criminal conviction and traffic conviction? Or difference between endorsed conviction and conviction just coz you are guilty on court. Any lawyer/solicitor here?

6.1 Do you have any criminal convictions in the UK or any other country (including traffic offences) or any civil judgements made against you?

这是我在今年9月15日以后申请PR的表格上copied。其它的表格我没有好好看，这条要求应该是一样的。

我从这段话的理解是经过法院判决的超速、无保险、无驾照等traffic offences也算是criminal convictions.

我的另一个理解是经过警察处理而没有到法院的扣分和罚款不算criminal convictions.

你说呐？

according to PR form, i think even if you take the conditional offer and settled the speeding outside of a court, it's still a traffic OFFENCE and you should still report it on form. It doen't matter exactly how CONCIVTION means.

And i couldnot see any difference between settling in and outside of a courts for the exact same thing in terms of granting a PR.

我想问问你的明确理解，请回答Yes or No please.

1. 通过法院被认定的traffic offences算不算criminal convictions？

2. 通过警察处理的traffic offences算不算criminal convictions？

>>6.1 Do you have any criminal convictions in the UK or any other country
>>(including traffic offences) or any civil judgements made against you?

my point's that conviction or not doen't matter if PR application/visa extension's your only concern. You need to put those down on the form anyway regardless it's an offence or a conviction. And i cannot see any difference they handle it.

Abt your question, my ans's NO for both simply coz I WAS TOLD SO by traffic court of manchester magistrate court.

http://lkcn.net/eubbs/index.php?showtopic=85142&st=30

今天有人说中国驾照无保险驾车被法院判罚过算crimical conviction，这跟我过去的判断是一致的。但不知道中国驾照超速被法院判罚算不算crimical conviction。

我还是那样认为：同样的交通过失，包括无驾照，无保险，超速和闯红灯等，如果是英国驾照，被警察处理过的扣分罚款就不算criminal convictions，被法院处理过的就算criminal convictions。

你现在怎么认为？

任何事情都有一个量变到质变的过程，犯罪还是不犯罪总有一个界限，这点不重要吗？我现在也不知道超速和闯红灯而被法院处罚的算不算criminal convictions，但是我提到的那个人无保险驾车被法院处罚的算criminal conviction你还有争议吗？他总不会自己的事情，连这点英文都看不懂吧？

老弟，给你一个建议：一般老百姓说的话也要好好听。你过去说被法院判过的traffic offences不算criminal convictions，我认真听了，明确了你的意思，而且暂时认为你对了，没有跟你再争论。这次有人出来说明你的这个界限理解是不对的，我当然也听他的经历，而且我认为他本人没有撒谎和看错。怎么样，你还坚持你的观点吗？

bollocks... PLS PLS check my post again... i never argue the fact that person driving without the license should get a criminal record... i think u should enroll in a language school. You have attitute problem and language problem.

If you check my post again, you will see My Post meant some of the cases go thru court are not listed as criminal records, but most would like the guy driving without the license, even the same thing like over the speed limit, there are different treat.

Before you say anything, read my post again and make sure you understand every word of it, use dictionary if you have any problem with it.

Sorry my computer cannot type chinese

任何事情都有一个量变到质变的过程，犯罪还是不犯罪总有一个界限，这点不重要吗？

very important indeed

我现在也不知道超速和闯红灯而被法院处罚的算不算criminal convictions

so shut up

但是我提到的那个人无保险驾车被法院处罚的算criminal conviction你还有争议吗？

I have NEVER argue this whatsoever. In plain english, I AGREE with you

他总不会自己的事情，连这点英文都看不懂吧？

are you saying yourself

老弟，给你一个建议：一般老百姓说的话也要好好听。

of course, i am one of the 老百姓

你过去说被法院判过的traffic offences不算criminal convictions

I never said that... Which sentence make you think i meant that? I said NOT ALL
法院判过的traffic offences算criminal convictions

我认真听了，明确了你的意思，而且暂时认为你对了，没有跟你再争论。

You have every right to argue with me, but you have to take time to read my post carefully. I never said i am absolutely correct. The most powerful reason i believe this way's coz I WAS TOLD SO, but the judge can be wrong as you can see in the post you mentioned.

这次有人出来说明你的这个界限理解是不对的

He DID NOT prove me wrong. I think he got exactly what he deserved. And i agree 100% with you and him on this issue

怎么样，你还坚持你的观点吗？

Yes, i do... but if you can prove me wrong, you are welcome, but don't start with aggresive language.

听你的建议，回去又看了一下你的帖子，我可能有误会你意思的地方，不过你也有回答不清的问题。

请注意我问的问题是traffic offences，包括无驾照/无保险，也包括超速/闯红灯，你是怎么回答的？我是不是应该理解成你认为全部都不算？因为这里先前你也没有说过无驾照/无保险你认为算吧？

如果你要求我在与你争论每个问题前都像读教科书一样精读你的全部字句也行，我承认我没有做到，将来也不可能做到。可能你自己就做到这点了吗？我评论一个人的问题，没有评论一个人语言水平和态度的习惯。两回事！

我还是告诉你一个我的经验，不要轻易相信英国前台人员的一个口头说法。上个月，我给Home Office打电话问一个事情，三个人给了我三个不同的说法，你相信哪一个？

你再看看这个例子，英国专业法官都有对中国驾照一年怎么算理解不如我的时候：

http://lkcn.net/eubbs/index.php?showtopic=91960

我中文说明白了吗？

听你的建议，回去又看了一下你的帖子，我可能有误会你意思的地方，不过你也有回答不清的问题。

Thanks for reading my post again. Sorry about that one, but i think my ans had the context.

请注意我问的问题是traffic offences，包括无驾照/无保险，也包括超速/闯红灯，你是怎么回答的？我是不是应该理解成你认为全部都不算？

again, my ans had context.

因为这里先前你也没有说过无驾照/无保险你认为算吧？

NO, i didn't

如果你要求我在与你争论每个问题前都像读教科书一样精读你的全部字句也行，我承认我没有做到，将来也不可能做到。可能你自己就做到这点了吗？

No, i cannot, but if i want to point out somebody's mistake, i would make sure i read and understand every single word, otherwise i would make fool of myself.

我评论一个人的问题，没有评论一个人语言水平和态度的习惯。两回事！

You did mention something abt the language, which i think it's not necessary. The forum's abt helping each other, that's absolutely no point to be aggressive.

我还是告诉你一个我的经验，不要轻易相信英国前台人员的一个口头说法。上个月，我给Home Office打电话问一个事情，三个人给了我三个不同的说法，你相信哪一个？

100% agree. Even judges can be wrong as proved in another post, but it doens't matter if Pr application's your only concern.

你再看看这个例子，英国专业法官都有对中国驾照一年怎么算理解不如我的时候：

http://lkcn.net/eubbs/index.php?showtopic=91960

You have my admiration. You have profound knowledge in this area, you are one of best here.

我中文说明白了吗？

crystal